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Ped
 
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   Member No: #82
Location: Maidenhead |
Where's the RPN? Suspension is in normal mode 99% of the time and engaging sport doesn't make any difference to the issue. |
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Rich
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  Member No: #542
Location: Bournemouth |
I've just got this mad theory in my head that Sports mode will help prevent such issues with the ball joints and struts being stiffer and less bouncy, thus causing less wear and tear. I realise now its happened, it won't make any difference. My theory maybe totally wrong but I'm sticking to it at the moment until proved wrong... Good luck with the fix. Hope they sort it hassle free |
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MattHwk
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  Member No: #246
Location: Solihull |
No difference me thinks.......heavy tank trying to ride like a magic carpet= battered front suspension. Just build into cost of ownership. Both shocks , struts and ball joints changed once in 100k isn't too bad in my book. | ||
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C6Dave
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  Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland |
Ped wrote ... Where's the RPN? On the label on the drivers 'A' pillar - Click Here - Same label gives you details of how to check the build date for the car: - Click Here - I can't see 'Sport' mode making any difference either as it only knocks out the centre sphere on each axle, which the car does at motorway speeds anyway. |
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Ped
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Member No: #82
Location: Maidenhead |
They said they coundn't check for play in the ball joints until I had a new nearside front wheel bearing which has play. That's going to be £360 fitted. I know in my heart that it's not just the wheel bearing making the problem. They are fitting it on monday where they will then investigate further. What irks me though is the theory that they can't check the joints until they put the bearing in. Sounds like BS to me. My warranty 'company' are trying to worm their way out of the claim despite saying wheel bearings are 'normally' covered, so I spoke to the bloke yesterday and he is checking with the underwriters today to find out. Cheers ped |
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gmerry
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 Member No: #21
Location: Scotland |
Ped, did you already post your RPN number: That seems to be quite crucial as to problems experienced. When the lower pivot bearing was replaced last November, was this done using a genuine Citroen (or SKF unit). If it was replaced, what was the warranty given on the repair. I purchased an item off ebay just to look into this a little further and basically it was a horrible deep groove ball bearing instead of the proprietary CARB bearing. The CARB bearing allows axial float and angular misalignment unlike the deep groove ball bearing. Presumably a Chinese copy except the bearing is all wrong. Regards G |
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dsharples
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  Member No: #119
Location: Woodbridge |
If you bought your car from the dealer who is servicing your car, I would also ask the Service Manager nicely to put the claim on Citroen's system for some Good Will. Normally the dealer has to contribute too, so some aren't willing to try this route, but it could save you some money... |
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gmerry
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Member No: #21
Location: Scotland |
Difference between SKF Lower "Ball Joints" and after market replacements. Hi all, a lot of the so called Lower Ball Joints are in fact just deep groove ball bearings in a similar housing to the real thing. See - Click Here - as an example. I purchased one of these (curiosity) and in fact its a 6205 2RS bearing (probably bearing costs about £5) which has been modified by boring out centre to 27mm diameter. A standard 6205 bearing is 25mm. Seems as though all those 407s with worn out front suspensions have resulted in some creative re-engineering. Note that the genuine bearings are CARB bearings: these allow for some axial float and angular misalignment. They should look externally at least a little more like - Click Here - Regards G |
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Ped
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Member No: #82
Location: Maidenhead |
Sorry I haven't got the car at the moment to tell you the number! They called today - apparently they can't see anything wrong with the ball joints/suspension and say it's just the play in the nearside bearing which they have replaced. However, upon replacing the bearing they had to damage the ABS sensor so they will put a new one in for me, but, of course, they don;t have one until tomorrow. Fantastic. They will be fitting it at cheap rate and give me a big discount on the unit though as they basically broke it. I don;t think I should have to pay at all, if I'm honest. Still my 'warranty company' (i.e one bloke and a mobile phone) is failing to call back or help in any way. Really regretting using them at this point; if he sorts me out I have promised not to tell you all to go elsewhere. If he's smart he'll do the right thing or I'll make it my life's work to make sure nobody uses them again! ped |
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citrohanc6
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 Member No: #329
Location: utrecht |
@Gerry; apart from the "tripod" I don't see much difference. Though noticed the vulcanized (this is some kind of neoprene ring isn't it ) part which lays flat on the original and deep in the counterfeighted one. Is this what you mean? Is CARB an abrevation or somewhat for something? tia winus |
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Ped
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Member No: #82
Location: Maidenhead |
OK I have the car back. Slough Citroen have replaced the bearing and the ABS sensor. It's fine now, which is a relief. Very impressed again with the level of service from them, despite my grumpy last few days. They really are a good garage - they did the ABS sensor really cheap and hardly charged any labour on it for me. All told, I paid about £350 for the bearing and the sensor. Happy ped. ped |
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gmerry
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Member No: #21
Location: Scotland |
Winus, check out the SKF website - Click Here - and press the demo buttoms for the animations. It gives you a good idea of how the CARB bearings work. From the links I posted, the main external differences are in the sealing arrangements Regards G |
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drummond
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 Member No: #238
Location: Aldeburgh |
So, were the CARB bearings OE, and if so why have they failed so early? They look like (in terms of axial and rotational) Bulleid's valve gear design for the Leader, for British Railways, in 1948. That did not work! |
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gmerry
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Member No: #21
Location: Scotland |
Drummond, we have the problem with sealing allowing water ingress (probably salt water if you live in scotland). I also have a bit of problem with the bearing housing in that I can't yet figure out how it can be pressed on (or tapped on) to the pivot housing without transmitting the fitting force through the outer race and hence brinnelling the bearings. Anyone have a view on this? Regards G |
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citrohanc6
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Member No: #329
Location: utrecht |
Gerry, is this of some use? - Click Here - items on sealings are also to be found on the site thanks for the link. The demo's speak for themselves. clear. |
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