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MattHwk
 
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Location: Solihull |
Steve, any idea where your old car ended up? Worst part of today has been the BMW crowd at work...."told you so" etc, etc. After 3 years defending my decision to be different....today I have no answer......except a Gallic shrug of the shoulders and a nonchalant....C'est la vie 
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ciao_chao
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Location: Buckinghamshire |
Wasn't there a 3.0 that got written off earlier this year too? Could that offer an interesting experiment? | ||
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C6Dave
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Location: Northumberland |
ciao_chao wrote ... Wasn't there a 3.0 that got written off earlier this year too? Could that offer an interesting experiment? Yes that was Phillips car but we don't know where that or Steve's ended up |
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gmerry
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Location: Scotland |
Hi Matt, if you have the means and patience, remember a Jaguar 2.7 (S type or F) engine should be a "drop in" replacement. The engines from the Landrovers would need pretty much all the external plumbing and sump replaced (single turbo and much biger sump). Not to mention any Peugeot 407s with V6 diesels. There is a crowd that specialise in 2.7 retrofits for earlier RangeRovers (with petrol 3.8s). Might be worth having a word to them as they must have a supply source for the conversions they do. Simtek ask for Ginny Simtek UK Unit 1 Daniel Street Ind Est Whitworth Rochdale Lancashire OL12 8BX United Kingdom Tel +44 (0) 1706 854857 Fax +44 (0) 1706 854535 |
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gmerry
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Member No: #21
Location: Scotland |
Root Cause, faulty injectors? See Landrover Aussie story - Click Here - ?? Regards G |
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Paschal
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 Member No: #375
Location: Meath |
Matt, For what its worth you have my sympathy, I hope that you can find a reasonable way out. Why is it so difficult to throw the towel in and join the beemers? Mind you we dont get to hear a lot about their problems, grass is always greener etc! Anyway good luck with your search. |
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michaelb
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Location: London |
Paschal wrote ... join the beemers? Mind you we dont get to hear a lot about their problems, grass is always greener etc! Cold comfort I know but a friend has just spent GBP £1,700 on the rear suspension of his 5 series because it didn't like a pot hole he went over. They have their problems too 
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Trainman
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Location: Penwortham |
C6Dave wrote ... ciao_chao wrote ... Wasn't there a 3.0 that got written off earlier this year too? Could that offer an interesting experiment? Yes that was Phillips car but we don't know where that or Steve's ended up I know who took it it was copart, their website is here - Click Here - but I keep looking and nothing comes up, there is an engine on ebay - Click Here - |
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MattHwk
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Member No: #246
Location: Solihull |
Thanks All. Best I've found is £3k on an engine out of a C6. Described to me as 40k , body colour Red, wouldn't give me Reg. Anyone claim this one ? Seems a beter bet than the Ebay one as will come with everything...turbos, injectors etc. eBay one is just the basic lump, they want more for the bits. Dealer wants £1k to take engine out and strip. Citroën won't consider any compensation until they know what went wrong. Still considering different options. Any offers, spares or repair ? 4 brand new Falkans and an RT5 for starters ! |
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dsharples
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  Member No: #119
Location: Woodbridge |
Matt, very sorry to hear about your troubles! I went through some very similar pain and faced similar costs with a 1993 Citroen XM, when its auto transmission failed at 42,000 miles. Unfortunately, so did lots of other owners.. I hope Citroen offer to assist, but with 105k up, it could be difficult. I, like others, I would be interested to know if the failure could be attributed to component wear and tear or a manufacturing defect causing a catastrophic component failure. With so much commonality in the problems we seem to have on this forum, it might be worth us helping to get you an independent opinion - as useful knowledge for us all! I've always been a little concerned at Citroen's 20k miles oil change interval, and whilst i know many on this forum perform intermediate changes - you never know what a previous owner has done. I would guess that the PSA FWD transverse installation has quite different operational characteristics from the JLR installations - and of course it was under-bonnet heat/lack of adequate oil cooling that many thought killed the Phase 1 XM's auto boxes before their time... |
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MattHwk
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Member No: #246
Location: Solihull |
Unfortunatly, I have been quoted £800 - £1000 by Citroen to even attempt a diagnosis. They are refusing any assistance unless I pay this upfront so they can confirm the root cause. Both Citroen Retail UK and Citroen UK have in effect turned there back on me. |
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C6Dave
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Location: Northumberland |
dsharples wrote ... I, like others, I would be interested to know if the failure could be attributed to component wear and tear or a manufacturing defect causing a catastrophic component failure. With so much commonality in the problems we seem to have on this forum, it might be worth us helping to get you an independent opinion - as useful knowledge for us all! Lets keep this in perspective. There are cars on the continent that have covered far higher mileages with no engine issues. The only other engine failure we have had reported on site was a blown turbo out in Australia so this is a very unusual occurrence. Following a service only 1 week before it does beg the question as to whether something went wrong because of it and rather than pay £1,000 to remove the engine why not get an auto engineer to have a look over it as it is, to see if there is anything obvious externally, that could have contributed to the failure |
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gmerry
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Member No: #21
Location: Scotland |
Matt, it seems to me that spending £1000 for Citroen to perform a removal, stripdown and diagnosis of the failure is good money after bad. Not much chance that they will discover something that will definitely result in them coughing up any money towards replacement. In any case, at 105kms and so many years they will always discount any liability on the basis that you or previous owners have had considerable use of the car already. Speculating on the cause of the failure, to me it's most likely to be an external ancillary such as an oil pump (or oil pump suction blockage, oil contaimination, faulty injector etc. The Conrod/bearing/crankshaft assembly are usually highly reliable and/or provide some symptoms such as big end knock before failure. Having said that, it would not cost a lot for a motor mechanic to drop the sump and remove the big end bearing assembly (probably only good for your own satisfaction). On the subject of 2.7 failures, google landrover and 2.7 diesel engine failure and you end up with a surprisingly large number of reported engine failures. Regards G PS, did you talk to Simtek |
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michaelb
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Member No: #14
Location: London |
gmerry wrote ... Speculating on the cause of the failure, to me it's most likely to be an external ancillary such as an oil pump (or oil pump suction blockage, oil contaimination, Or something accidentally dropped in while filling the oil at the last service
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gmerry
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Member No: #21
Location: Scotland |
Matt, here's a possible option. Brand New Short Motor - Click Here - for a 2.7 LR. Regards G |
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