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Does anyone know how many C6 2.2 HDI Linage have been made |
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PaulY
 
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Location: Surrey |
In June I choose to buy a second hand manual 2.2 HDI linage, because I wanted the greenest, and cheapest on fuel and road tax option (and could not stretch to the cost of a new 3.0HDI) I am very happy with it indeed, and this week experienced a phenomenon never before experienced in 33 years of driving - twice this week people have wound down their window in the traffic and said " I really like your car!" it was hard to get hold of this particular model and I was a little surprised that although my car was first registered in September 2009 the vehicle number reveals it was built in 2006! This made me think, how many MANUAL 2.2 HDIs did they make for the UK, and between what period? Anybody know? PS Is this the best forum for this type of question - I could not find one for just questions of interest, rather than technical advice? |
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C6Dave
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Location: Northumberland |
Getting any sales figures was a real problem and I don't think a breakdown of model type was given. However looking at the membership details and used cars listed for sale over the past year, I would guess at something no more than 5-10% of the total 870 in the UK, so between 43 and 87 But that is a guess. |
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tonyrome
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PaulY wrote ... it was hard to get hold of this particular model and I was a little surprised that although my car was first registered in September 2009 the vehicle number reveals it was built in 2006! Many C6s sat around in dealerships for years, unsold, and the giveaway in your case was the presence of the RT3 navigation, which was superceded early in 2007. That's why I wrote on another thread that I suspected your car was actually an 06, rather than an 09 build. I like the idea of a manual gearbox because I am not a fan of automatics. However, I read that the shift is not very good - how do you find it? With large, luxury cars, autos rule and manuals don't sell, hence the manual option was dropped after a very short time. I suspect that the number of manual cars manufactured is even lower than Dave states but we may not know for many years, as Citroen were unwilling to provide me with a breakdown of sales per model variant, claiming this constituted 'commercially sensitive information'! They provided the actual number of cars sold per year, so how can the number of Exclusives, or 2.2s possibly be sensitive?  I suspect it's less about 'commercially sensitive' and more about embarrassment! 'Er, we sold 20 manual cars in the whole of the UK over 5 years'...etc., at which point certain competitors roll around in fits of laughter! |
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lrhart
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  Member No: #97
Location: Sedella |
I have the 2.2 Manual, and am very pleased with it. Gearbox is very smooth, 6th is more of an overdrive, don't us it much on the twisty mountain roads where I live but fine for the A roads. Very economical on long runs, about 7 litres/100km. I wanted the manual not only for the greater economy but also for towing the horsebox, which the car does very well. | ||
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Johnbyte
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Location: Essex |
I acquired a 2.2 manual in May, having previously owned a 2.7. For my style of driving I don't miss the extra 30 odd hp and it's a much more economical proposition - and like tonyrome, I've never particularly liked autos anyway. I've had no problems with the shift: I suspect that some people have difficulty because they don't guide the gear lever, i.e. push away from you for 1st/2nd, pull toward you for 5/6. I find 6th gear to be usable from 40mph if you're 'trickling' along often resulting in a 99mpg indication on the trip computer. |
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tonyrome
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Johnbyte wrote ... I acquired a 2.2 manual in May, having previously owned a 2.7. For my style of driving I don't miss the extra 30 odd hp and it's a much more economical proposition Interesting. I could see myself with a manual 2.2 and all the options but I'd want the RT4 navigation as a minimum - and preferably the RT5 with Bluetooth. The 2.2 manuals were built between 2006 and late 2008, so I suspect the RT5 is not possible anyway but, as has been established, the registration date doesn't necessarily have any relation to the build date, so even the RT4 may be quite a rare item in a 2.2 manual! Apart from the reduction in power, the only other disadvantage of the 2.2 I can see is the lack of active bodywork. I don't like the idea of a fixed spoiler, albeit a small one, as it ruins the lines of the car. |
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RichardKC6
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Location: Leicestershire |
PaulY wrote ... I was a little surprised that although my car was first registered in September 2009 the vehicle number reveals it was built in 2006! Wow, I am suddenly less embarrassed about my June 12th '07 build, Jan 1st '08 registration lag! PSA report sales of cars; and there's a bit of my memory that keeps on saying they planned to make 20,000 C6s. At last count they'd sold over 19,000, according to their investor reports. I wonder what the truth is. tonyrome wrote ... The 2.2 manuals were built between 2006 and late 2008, so I suspect the RT5 is not possible anyway In theory the RT4 can be upgraded; the RT3 can't be as they're VANBus rather than CANbus but beyond that if you've got the money, the determination to bash Citroën UK's 'service' departments over the head enough, and if you can find them - maybe you can hire... no, wait. Where was I? The display and head unit SHOULD be upgradable from RT4 to RT5. The RT5 can even handle the lower-resolution display from the RT4, as some earlier implementations used that setup. |
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verycleverman
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Location: Northumberland |
RichardKC6 wrote ... In theory the RT4 can be upgraded; the RT3 can't be as they're VANBus rather than CANbus I'm not an electronics expert, but I think you might find that the RT3 fitted to the C6 is CANbus. The version fitted to the Mk 1 C5 was VANbus. The clue is in the firmware, 5.XX on the VANbus and 6.XX on the CANbus. Pete. |
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Trainman
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verycleverman wrote ... The clue is in the firmware, 5.XX on the VANbus and 6.XX on the CANbus. Pete. Mine is an RT3 an definately 6.XX |
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RichardKC6
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Location: Leicestershire |
verycleverman wrote ... RichardKC6 wrote ... In theory the RT4 can be upgraded; the RT3 can't be as they're VANBus rather than CANbus I'm not an electronics expert, but I think you might find that the RT3 fitted to the C6 is CANbus. The version fitted to the Mk 1 C5 was VANbus. The clue is in the firmware, 5.XX on the VANbus and 6.XX on the CANbus. Pete. I'm aware of the firmware, but my info was from a discussion on a much older Citroën related group; particularly that the units couldn't be upgraded on the first cars for this very reason. However, having not had an RT3 car I didn't have any other info. If they're 6.xx firmware then there's no reason why fitting RT4 shouldn't be possible. I thought the VAN to CANbus change was marked by the appearance of the electric steering column adjustment; I also thought changing the wiring system on the car mid-production when CANbus was already established seemed pretty bizarre (it's only a protocol change, admittedly - the physical wires are essentially the same, but the modules and boxes are either different, or different "firmware"). |
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verycleverman
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Member No: #65
Location: Northumberland |
RichardKC6 wrote ... If they're 6.xx firmware then there's no reason why fitting RT4 shouldn't be possible. I thought the VAN to CANbus change was marked by the appearance of the electric steering column adjustment; I also thought changing the wiring system on the car mid-production when CANbus was already established seemed pretty bizarre (it's only a protocol change, admittedly - the physical wires are essentially the same, but the modules and boxes are either different, or different "firmware"). Again, sticking my neck out here, the C6 has always been CANbus. The RT3 was fitted to the C5 from late 2003, I think. My first C5 was a 2002 fitted with the VDO Dayton navigation whilst my second was a 2004 with the RT3. The C5 was VANbus and it seems reasonable to assume it remained that way until Octoberish 2004 when the Series II was introduced. Whether or not the Series II had CANbus, I don't know, but I assume it did. I often saw reference to 6.XX firmware in relation to the C5. The Series III, I imagine, was launched with either RT4 or RT5. My C6, however, having been built in November 2005, is probably one of the earliest examples and is most definately CANbus. The RT3 fitted to my C5 was physically different to the one fitted to the C6. Pete. |
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RichardKC6
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Member No: #49
Location: Leicestershire |
No neck sticking out in my opinion, just more information! The idea that there was a change at all was purely speculation on why PSA insisted that for those first few buyers the RT3 could not be upgraded to an RT4, and no-one having confirmed either way on which bus the older cars used. | ||
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tonyrome
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There should always be an economic upgrade option, IMO. Unfortunately, in the case of in-car navigation units, even if it is theoretically possible to upgrade, it is never economic to do so. | ||
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Trainman
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Member No: #86
Location: Penwortham |
Richard, I have always found these guys to be great at sorting out any issues relating to any kind of GPS issue - Click Here - It's well worth registering. |
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RichardKC6
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Member No: #49
Location: Leicestershire |
Other than the price of the maps from Navteq (typically around £170 more than the equivalent data for VDO or other in-car systems they support) I don't have any issues with the RT4 that aren't inherent to the design of the unit  Though I did find a simple answer to getting the speed camera updates onto the RT4 without playing with the Mira software, so that's really useful - thanks! My car is now aware of risk areas!However, the EuroVan2 forums are a well known source of info on the RTx units, including some excellent software for adding POIs and so forth. |
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