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When will a model of the DS Line have a Hydractive suspension? |
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C6Dave
 
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Citroën's CEO Frédéric Banzet answers the questions asked by the brand's fans on Facebook. The DS line is a real-life French-style success story and a singular adventure for a full-line carmaker. Two years after launch, the three-model line-up consisting of the DS3, DS4 and DS5 has sold in over 200,000 units Hasn't answered the question though? |
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mark28
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Location: Hampshire |
The answer is none and in the future not sure | ||
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Trainman
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At least he didn't rule it out, There was a deffinate"NO COMMENT" in there, realistically, if they did, it would just be a peugeot, so why not scrap the brand?? | ||
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ChrisHunter
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we got quite enthusiastic about the DS5 Hybrid ... even very-enthusiastic ... until we read about its ride ... mentions of DS5 rear suspension seem to vary all the way from dead-axle to from-the-C6 ... gloom & doom ... |
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Gobxoy
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Perhaps DS is a Citroën speak for Dead Suspension It's really quite disapointing, C5 could be the last of the Hydropnematic. Slough being sent to Coventry? |
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C6Dave
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Location: Northumberland |
Gobxoy wrote ... Slough being sent to Coventry? They certainly are  It's causing a few parts supply problems atm apparently during the switchover. |
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ciao_chao
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Location: Buckinghamshire |
Hahaha, just got some DS5 promo material in the mail today. I'm half tempted to post it back with a note saying 'I appreciate the sentiment, but without hydractive, please leave me alone.' Edit - They've actually provided me with a Freepost envelope! |
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Gobxoy
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Member No: #786
Location: Essex |
 I have just read in Autocar that new C5 to be built by GM on Vauxhall Insignia. I can't see that there is any hope that Hydropnematic will be carried over? Hope I am wrong. 
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Bishop
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Location: Harpenden |
Gobxoy - I read the same and also had that sinking feeling ('wasn't in the C6 at the time (sic)). If so, it's close to an automotive travesty. All that heritage, competitive differentiation and signature technology flushed away. PSA had the opportunity to steel a march on the rest of the industry by developing the electronically controlled oleopneumatic suspension further towards a truly active concept concept as part of a properly premium brand. Now it seems destined to orthodoxy, and me-too technology. No matter how good a DS-line car looks (and the 3, 5 and prospective 9 are lookers), the brand will only stretch so far up to premium pricing unless they can provide real and perceived quality engineering solutions. Shame. | ||
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James
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Location: Somewhere in the south of England |
Got a link ? It doesn't sound plausible for a number of reasons. PSA are already in an engine partnership with Ford, and the C-Crosser is made by mitsubishi. Are they moving to an engine partnership with GM or are GM going to be building cars with Ford engines ? Ford would look like a more likely partner. Outsourcing the C5 would mean the Peugeot 40x / 50X which share a lot of the parts would need to go too. Maybe they want to dump a French factory but there would be political fall-out of having the cars built on GM lines outside France. The writing was on the wall when the C5 MKII arrived with a passive springs or Hydractive as a choice - the first time you could get a big Citroen without their speciality suspension since 1955 (DS - GS/BX/XANTIA/C5 CX/XM/C6 ). If the sales figures show that it the market is neutral to hydractive, or even anti-hydractive because of its effect on 2nd hand values .... well I don't have to spell it out. |
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Gobxoy
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Member No: #786
Location: Essex |
Sorry no link in newsagents. But I read it in a newspaper so must be true?   Didn't GM buy into PSA group? GM have a good reputation with sharing platforms SAAB springs to mind.......gota go teas ready 
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Hattershaun
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Location: Bedfordshire, UK |
GM have bought 7% of PSA. The intentions are to gain in volume purchasing power, shared logistics and R&D/platforms. Peugeot 407 & C5 I&II shared the same platform, then 508 & C5 III, whilst having hydractive only on the Citroen. So, given the desire to continue with hydractive for a Citroen it's quite feasible on a platform shared with the next Vectra(sorry Insignia). Time will tell. |
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ciao_chao
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Member No: #518
Location: Buckinghamshire |
James wrote ... If the sales figures show that it the market is neutral to hydractive, or even anti-hydractive because of its effect on 2nd hand values .... well I don't have to spell it out. Sadly true, people will always buy the [%*^#@!] car with the nice badge, and thus cars with "[%*^#@!]" (by public perception) badges have no hope, and even less so with unorthodoxy. A long time ago, people who owned large cars usually also knew about cars, they were a passion as well as a transport tool. Sadly, democracy has brought cars to the masses, and the masses don't give a flying f*** about them. It happened to couture, and it's happening to the car now. Perhaps a timely trip up to Coventry (isn't that where new Citroen HQ is), to mourn the loss of hydropneumatics is in order. |
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James
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Location: Somewhere in the south of England |
Well a quick search for "GM Buys PSA" turns up stories from the end of Feb about the 7% stake. One of them says that GM will likely use PSA's small car platforms and PSA will likely use - Click Here - GM's Epsilon Platform. (Which is also used by Fiat). There is actually some hope for Citroen in this (c.f. Hattershaun), because instead of sharing only between 2 brands -so you get the 107 and C1 being the same car more-or-less, they cut the platform development cost and spend on the differentiators. Bear in mind that the C5/6 auto gearbox comes from part of Toyota and C1/107 was developed with Toyota. The diesel engines come from Ford. The future may be in alliances. What I've heard is that PSA and Renault are feeling squeezed. People who want small cheap cars are getting them from the far east, and people who want prestiege cars buy German. The idea behind the DS3 in particular, is to create a boutique brand [DS rather than citroen] for small, but not cheap; but that relies on that strategy of making a car which is different by starting with parts used in cars that are ordinary - rather than a clean sheet. Oh yes , and Slough is closing - Click Here - after 86 years. |
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C6Dave
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James wrote ... What I've heard is that PSA and Renault are feeling squeezed. People who want small cheap cars are getting them from the far east, and people who want prestiege cars buy German. If you want to know how 'squeezed' read: - Click Here - |
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