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C6Dave   
Tue Aug 22 2017, 05:54pm

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
We have been here before and all the rhetoric is about taking old 'polluting' cars off the roads, replacing with brand new ones and I have a couple of questions which maybe other members can answer.

1. If you take a 7 year old car (latest Ford scheme) off the road which averages 10,000 miles per year how much 'pollution' is actually saved per year?

2. Looking at pictures on the news tonight of cars being crushed into bales for recycling how much pollution was:

a: created by the power used to do the crushing?
b: will be created by the melting down process as the crushed bales were contaminated with wiring and plastics?
c: by turning the melted bales back into useable steel?

3. How much pollution is created building a brand new car?

4. How much 'pollution' would be saved by not 'crushing' the cars as per (2) but instead recycling used parts from cars by dismantling them and selling the parts rather than manufacturing 'new' ones?

I have never seen any survey than answers the above questions (no doubt others can think of more) so are we being treated to the 'mushroom' style of management again?
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Wantathreelitre   
Tue Aug 22 2017, 06:12pm
Joined: Jun 14 2017
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Location: Forest Town
I saved 3 cars from the first scrappage scheme in UK. A 1987 Citroen Visa GTI and 2 early Ford Sierras. They were way too good for scrappage and i bought them instead. They are on the road today.
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e3steve   
Tue Aug 22 2017, 09:44pm
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Location: Warsash, Hants & Palma de Mallorca, Spain
Wantathreelitre wrote ...

I saved 3 cars from the first scrappage scheme in UK. A 1987 Citroen Visa GTI and 2 early Ford Sierras. They were way too good for scrappage and i bought them instead. They are on the road today.
Ah, so it's all your fault then! You're the one who's still fuelling those old 1.8D Sierras. At least my Hendy Motorsport Cosworth was a petrol car...
Wantathreelitre   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 06:47am
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Location: Forest Town
All 3 were petrol, the Sierras were 2.0 S models.
Wantathreelitre   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 06:56am
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Talking of Cosworths i once had a Mallard Green Escort which we modified to 540 bhp. It was an absolute animal to drive and the problem back then was turbo lag, even when it had it's stock 227 bhp! By the time it had been given a turbo the size of a dustbin, 2 intercoolers, huge injectors, CAI, different cams, big ignition, and a massive induction collector pipe, it had more lag than the boiler in my cupboard. An absolute hoot when you kept it in the sweet spot, 2500-6500 rpm but below/above that, the acceleration was akin to a milk float.
e3steve   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 07:53am
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Wantathreelitre wrote ...

Talking of Cosworths i once had a Mallard Green Escort which we modified to 540 bhp. It was an absolute animal to drive and the problem back then was turbo lag, even when it had it's stock 227 bhp! By the time it had been given a turbo the size of a dustbin, 2 intercoolers, huge injectors, CAI, different cams, big ignition, and a massive induction collector pipe, it had more lag than the boiler in my cupboard. An absolute hoot when you kept it in the sweet spot, 2500-6500 rpm but below/above that, the acceleration was akin to a milk float.


My Sapphire was 250, along with a couple of suspension mods by Hendy. The remap was done by them -- the car was new -- using Detection Techniques' chip.

0-60 was down to 5.2 (from standard 5.8) and it would, reputedly, go on to 168mph. I did see 162, at 4.30am on the M3, once, but some tail lights were looming about a mile ahead so I backed off to 98 until we were past them. Passing another vehicle, on the public highways, with a closing speed of 90+mph -- even in 1989 -- would've been utterly unforgivable...
Leo   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 08:32am
Joined: Apr 20 2010
Member No: #94
Location: Belfast
Pure marketing.

It gets publicity, and it sucks people in. The old car is "dirty" and this, combined with the ease of getting rid of it, convinces people to move it on for something new.

The results of any survey wouldn't justify the scrappage scheme, I suspect.

Leo.
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C6Chester   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 12:32pm
Joined: Aug 10 2015
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Location: Chester
e3steve wrote ...

Wantathreelitre wrote ...

Talking of Cosworths i once had a Mallard Green Escort which we modified to 540 bhp. It was an absolute animal to drive and the problem back then was turbo lag, even when it had it's stock 227 bhp! By the time it had been given a turbo the size of a dustbin, 2 intercoolers, huge injectors, CAI, different cams, big ignition, and a massive induction collector pipe, it had more lag than the boiler in my cupboard. An absolute hoot when you kept it in the sweet spot, 2500-6500 rpm but below/above that, the acceleration was akin to a milk float.


My Sapphire was 250, along with a couple of suspension mods by Hendy. The remap was done by them -- the car was new -- using Detection Techniques' chip.

0-60 was down to 5.2 (from standard 5.8) and it would, reputedly, go on to 168mph. I did see 162, at 4.30am on the M3, once, but some tail lights were looming about a mile ahead so I backed off to 98 until we were past them. Passing another vehicle, on the public highways, with a closing speed of 90+mph -- even in 1989 -- would've been utterly unforgivable...


What is the highest speed people have had out of their C6's? Ashamed to say I've had mine for over 2 years and still don't think I've pushed it into three figures yet!
Tjensen   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 12:52pm
Joined: Jul 17 2012
Member No: #954
Location: Bergen
A lot of climate and pollution calculations are done. Usually the best is to keep and maintain the old car. But the more you drive annualy, the more it pollutes while driving and the less complicated materials are used (recycling aspect), the sooner you will reach the "exchange now" point. Modern hybrid/electrical cars and and old simple cars (MG sports car ?) have a rather mild climate impact during its lifespan. Electrical is probably best if you can live with it as the only car.
C6Dave   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 03:34pm

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
Tjensen wrote ...

Modern hybrid/electrical cars and and old simple cars (MG sports car ?) have a rather mild climate impact during its lifespan. Electrical is probably best if you can live with it as the only car.

Tried being all electric with a 30kw Nissan Leaf and it just isn't practical I'm afraid. The technology has a long way to go yet.
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Eric   
Wed Aug 23 2017, 04:20pm
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Location: Fareham
My lovely 2009 registered (2007 build date) 2.7 Hdi Exclusive has seen 245 KPH on the digital display - that was the best she could do. I set the cruise to 250 KPH and let her find the top on an early Sunday morning run on the Bavarian Autobahn network. Great feeling but watching the fuel bars drop soon stops you continuing at those speeds......
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C6Dave   
Fri Sep 01 2017, 05:47pm

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
More companies jumped onto the 'scrappage scheme' bandwagon today...

Dave-Retired wrote ...

2. Looking at pictures on the news tonight of cars being crushed into bales for recycling how much pollution was:

a: created by the power used to do the crushing?
b: will be created by the melting down process as the crushed bales were contaminated with wiring and plastics?
c: by turning the melted bales back into useable steel?


Well part of the original question was potentially answered on the news tonight showing a machine munching the bales of crushed cars into small pieces.

I would assume that means it would be fairly easy to strip the steel parts magnetically from the pile of shredded material ready for melting down to create new metal.

What happens to the rest though?

Landfill or burnt to generate electricity possibly?
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dadie11   
Wed Sep 06 2017, 12:56pm
Joined: Jul 29 2016
Member No: #2724
Location: Castleford, West Yorkshire
There's money in them thar cars.
Registered recyclers will now strip down the vehicles to their constituent parts, selling-on what is viable; then the glass, rubber, batteries and steel will go off for melting down.
The cabling is a bit more technical but basically involves stripping the plastic - where facilities exist - and sending off the copper for melting.
Even then, there is always an amount of uneconomical, unusable residue which accumulates over time; which our Oriental friends in China will happily grab.
 

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