C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Mon Oct 12 2009, 12:50pm

From the factory the current bulbs look yellow in comparison to the Xenon headlamps.

Anyone know what bulbs they are and if they can be replaced with white LED's

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Mon Oct 12 2009, 03:30pm

OK a bit of progress.

I removed the lamp holders from the car and took them to pieces - you need to be very careful though as the plastic parts can become brittle

'So first remove the Finisher' - it just pulls off but is tight - start toward the centre of the car and work out.




Then unlip the Lamp unit at the 3 clips 'A' - push them down at the top and up at the bottom with a flat bladed screwdriver




Once out remove the power cable (b) and take of the cover (2) - take care here as the retaining clips are plastic, use a small flat blade screwdriver to gently prise out.




This is what you have (Click to enlarge)



The bulb unit is shown here in more detail (Click to enlarge)



The Daylight running bulb holder is annotated: P1 5 WST (They're known to Citroen as HP24W)

The Indicator bulb holder is annotated: PY 16 WST


Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Phil, Mon Oct 12 2009, 03:54pm

Do the bulbs seperate from that unit?

I know the filament/glass is fixed immediately into that holder, but does that unclip from the main unit you've got there?

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Mon Oct 12 2009, 04:02pm

Yep, the lamp unit's unclip, looks like the bulbs are soldered in when you look at the back of them

The metal 'Hook' clips (2 on each bulb holder marked A in the last image) prise back and the bulb and holders come out as a unit

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Foxmc, Mon Oct 12 2009, 08:22pm

I see it's a daylight running lamp (new C4's come with those in the fogs) but can you replace them with LED's or another bulb type without any adaptation?

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Tue Oct 13 2009, 08:25am


That's what we are aiming to find out but maybe the bulb type is so specialist there are no alternatives available yet.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
, Tue Oct 13 2009, 11:45am

2 x 382LED's and 2 x 581LED's (indicators) are en-route.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Tue Oct 13 2009, 11:49am

Cheers Dave, once they arrive I will take the unit apart again and have a proper look at how the bulbs themselves come out.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Tue Oct 13 2009, 12:04pm

Well looks like the idea is scuppered for now as the indicator/daylight running unit comes as a complete item separate from the lens unit as per the image below


So item (2) is what needs replacing and is Part Number 6303 91 if a bulb blows (indicator or daylight running)

The good news is that they are only £15.75 + Vat retail from Citroen so I might buy one and have a play around.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Phil, Wed Oct 14 2009, 01:24pm

If it's anything like my C5, and the bulb does come away from the bulb holder (2).. the bulb will look like this. As you can see the bulb is part of it's own holder and does not seperate. The search continues!.....


Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Phil, Wed Oct 14 2009, 01:28pm

On a side note... amusingly discovered the C5 has 5 bulbs in the headlight!....and that doesn't even include an indicator bulb as that is housed further down in the front bumper! :0

So on the front end of a C5, adding on the foglight and indicator bulbs, there's a total of 14 bulbs on the front of it! hahaaa

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Wed Oct 14 2009, 03:52pm


Yep that's the one and marked P1 5 WST on the one I took out

Good news is though that when the headlights come on, the daylight running go off so you can't see the yellow look they have so much

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
tonyrome, Tue Nov 24 2009, 03:57pm

Whilst it will be interesting to see if you can do this, personally speaking, I wouldn't want a set of fairy lights spoiling the front of the car! I've switched my running lights off as they serve no purpose. Either you need your headlights on or you don't and, in the case of the C6, that is automatically determined by the light sensor. It'll probably become law at some point in the future but it would be far more constructive if people concentrated on their driving and other road users, rather than rely on lighting up their cars like Xmas trees!

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Wed Jun 16 2010, 07:10pm

I couldn't find a way to replace the bulbs as the unit comes complete from Citroen I'm afraid and couldn't find anywhere to get the bulb units themselves in LED

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
olep, Tue Aug 17 2010, 01:37pm

Do you know if one can instruct the computer(s) to turn the back lights on when the daylight running lamps are on ? It is compulsory in Norway to have your backlights lit in the daytime, probably until the new EU Directive reg. daylight running lights is included in norwegian regulations (in 2012?). Of course, one can just turn the headlights on. But then you will have a dim light on the display, when it turns to nighttime setting.

Regards,
Ole

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
pclark, Tue Aug 17 2010, 01:43pm

I don't think it's possible to for the driver to do this but I know it can be done by the dealer on the Lexia.
When I took delivery of my C6 the running lights were not on and the option to turn them on was not even on the computer. I asked the dealer to activate the DRL's, which they did but now the side lights light up as well whenever the engine is running. I intend to ask them to correct this to DRL's only the next time the car is there.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Tue Aug 17 2010, 02:11pm


There is a list of functions here: - Click Here -

It may or may not be complete but gives a guide

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
pclark, Mon Aug 23 2010, 07:53am

I went to the Dealer (Broach Hill, Driffield) on Saturday to get my first fault looked at - 'Parking Assistance Faulty' .They diagnosed a faulty front sensor which they've ordered to be fitted later this week. I suspect it may have been damaged by a flying stone as there's a 'nick' that can be felt on the surface.

While I was there I asked them to change the daytime running lights from being on with the parking lights to DRL's only, which they did.

Also they are investigating the possibility of updating the RT5 to enable Bluetooth Audio Streaming. I'll keep you informed about this.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
nickyg, Tue Jun 07 2011, 11:54pm

As I posted on another thread, HP24 bulbs can be removed from said holder, will reveal two long prongs and two holes on the holder. A modified led 501 or even g4 will insert in its place!

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Ped, Wed Jun 08 2011, 06:38am

We'll need to see pics of that Nickyg!

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Trainman, Wed Jun 08 2011, 07:11am

I agree, where I live near the Lancashire Police headquarters is a pain, I'm forever get 'asked' to turn my foglights off.........

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Thu Sep 22 2011, 10:53am

Well I had to change the offside, lower lamp unit today, as it was half full of water.

Basically when I had it apart originally, it looks like I broke one of the clips on the bulb unit (shown in the original post) so it wasn't seating tight against the gasket, allowing water in.

It has affected the reflection coating so had to change the whole unit, not just the bulb holder

So if you do intend taking one apart, be careful.........

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
magcar, Fri Jan 04 2013, 09:56am

Old thread, but I´ll try to wake it up again...

I bought these: - Click Here - and followed the excelllent guide issued by C6Dave in the beginning of this thread.

The lamps fits almost perfect, you have to cut/adjust two small tabs at the lamp, but it is very easy. I have no picture of it, but it is easy to understand when you have the unit in your hand.

A hint: Before you reassemble, check that the lamp works, as a LED lamp has to be connected with the right polarity.

If it dont work, just turn it 180 degrees.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Fri Jan 04 2013, 10:58am

Thanks magcar, for £18.00 delivered I'll give them a go

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Tjensen, Fri Jan 04 2013, 01:02pm

I also have the problem with waking up the daylight running lamps, INCLUDING back lights. My garage used the Lexia and managed to get them into the main menu in the car, but probably chose the wrong option of 2. Daylight running lamps is now OK when main light are not on, but the right option will also wake up rear lamps together with daylight rrunning lights (according to Norwegian regulations).

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Trainman, Fri Jan 04 2013, 04:23pm



I have this option on mine, I have the DRL's and front sidelights, but it also gives me the front and rear side marker lights and the rear tail lights.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Tjensen, Fri Jan 04 2013, 07:24pm

Thanks Trainman, this is the option I need ! Certainly the "other option"

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Gobxoy, Sat Jan 05 2013, 10:25am

Presuming your garage is in Norway, and you asked your garage to set the lights up for your country I would ask nicley complete the work FOC? Worth a try.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
ciao_chao, Sat Jan 12 2013, 11:36pm



If you have a chance, could you post some pictures of them on the car? I'm fed up of people thinking I've got my fogs on.


Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Mon Jan 14 2013, 10:22am


People who think they are fog lights need to get their brains engaged.........

Anyway my bulbs arrived today from the good old US of A and I wish I hadn't bothered now as I had to pay £3.19 Vat and an £8.00 post office handling charge, grr.......

I'm not going to even think about fitting them given is 1c outside and trying to snow.

When I get around to it I'll take a picture or 2

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
ciao_chao, Fri Jan 18 2013, 12:34am

Don't worry about rushing it, it's summer time where you get it a lot the fog light haters. Not so bad with the mist/wet/snow/dark of winter as most of the time the lights want to come on or you actually can justify using the real fogs.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
smihaialex, Fri Jan 18 2013, 07:40am

I also need to get "the other option" on my car... I have DRL-s but it only gives me the front lights and that's not enough.

For instance, these days there was some mist and fog in Bucharest and the surrounding areas, but hardly thick enough to justify bothering people with fog lights (which are pretty intense)... So I was left with 2 options leave it to the DRLs but have no rear lights, or switch on the position lights...

Had the DRLs activated the rear lights, it would have been perfect.

Sam

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Tjensen, Fri Jan 18 2013, 11:30am

It is a Lexia job...

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
magcar, Mon Jan 28 2013, 12:13pm



Here is a picture with the LED DRL´s.. Not so god picture quality though...
Not easy to see, but I have also changed the small position lamps to LED´s.
They were to yellow compared to the new DRL´s...





Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
smihaialex, Mon Jan 28 2013, 03:00pm

I got "the other option" enabled when doing my suspension software update (CSS), now it also switches on the position lights or side-lights (which ever way you might want to call them)... So far so good!

Congrats on the LED DRLs - they look fab... B)

Regarding the position lights, personally, I prefer the look of the original C6 headlight setup, featuring orange position lights... I think in 2009 Citroën updated the setup to feature white front position lights, but I prefer the original orange ones

Cheerios,
Sam

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Ped, Mon Jan 28 2013, 06:24pm

They look great!

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
magcar, Mon Jan 28 2013, 07:39pm



It is not the orange lights at the side of the front i have changed, it is the small bulbs next to the xenon.


Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
ciao_chao, Thu Jan 31 2013, 08:40pm

They do look good, esp with the side lights, though that's given me a thought, why not just have the side lights on all the time? Thanks for the pictures.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
smihaialex, Thu Jan 31 2013, 09:28pm

I knew what you meant... On the original C6 - '05 - '06 - '07, those are orange too and what I'm sayin' is I like it!

But I like your set-up too...

Sam

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Trainman, Fri Feb 01 2013, 04:03pm



Sam,

I beg to differ on that statement, having owned both a 2005 and a 2007 both sidelights were/are white not orange. if you're refering to the side 'marker' lights then, yes they are orange.



Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
smihaialex, Mon Feb 04 2013, 09:30am

Ahhh, so that's the correct term - side marker lights - or position lights, right?

That's what I meant... I know that on later models those are white too...

Thank you,
Sam

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
e3steve, Sat May 18 2013, 02:00pm

Back in the day, when SAAB & Volvo first brought DRLs to the UK, the lights were fitted with 21W/5W stop/tail lamps (bulbs, if you will). They were bright, without being too intense, and of a colour temperature (degrees K -- Kelvin) that easily catches one's eye in daylight.

But they were too bright for night-time driving; and, yes, some drivers would leave their vehicles with the DRLs on into darkness! Even at dusk they could be construed as almost dazzling because one was looking directly at the unshielded lamp filament, as opposed to the shielded filaments of dipped-beam headlights' reflected light. This shielding requirement is the reason for the 'crown-silver' fitment to our cars' DRLs & front indicators which have plain lenses, not fluted lenses like some other cars' front indicators.

The same is proving to be true of LED DRLs. In order to make the LEDs overcome the drawback of being the same colour temperature as daylight, which is circa 6000K, manufacturers needed to utilise Cree-type 'waterclear' LEDs. These are of a very direct and intense light output which can, in certain light conditions, be quite dazzling.

Manufacturers who nowadays opt to use 10 or 12-Watt incandescent lamps such as those on our C6s have, IMHO, the struck the right balance. They are of the right colour temp -- around 3500K -- and intensity to be safely observed and, thus, attracting the attention of otherwise-unobservant road users, therefore warning them of our approach.

The colour temperature is the main reason that I've not converted either of my classic, 60s' Honda motorcycles to HIDs (xenons). Hids' 6000K temp blends all too easily with daylight, almost rendering an approaching m/c rider 'invisible' to unobservant road users! Make a mental note of this and see what you all think, the next time a rider with a xenon headlight appears in your door mirror, between two traffic queues. A halogen headlight is far more visible, even if not as good to drive behind as HIDs.

Food for thought....

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Jodyone, Sat May 18 2013, 03:35pm

Interesting Steve, thanks. I'm no fan of these lights, partly because of the cyclist perspective (if all motor vehicles are lit up in the day then cyclists might be at even more of a disadvantage), and partly because it just seems a bit dickish. But, that's a thoughtful take on the situation.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
smihaialex, Sat May 18 2013, 04:56pm

@Steve: spot on! This is why I think it's great that our DRLs are halogen and not LED or Xenon, and this is why I think it's great that by default, the C6 DRLs go out once the dipped beam comes on (this can be overridden in Lexia/DiagBox and set to 'Always On', but I wouldn't advise anyone to opt for that).

Also, this is why I absolutely hate (and I rarely use the word) aftermarket LED or Xenon bulbs/systems on cars that were designed with halogen lights in mind - they are always waaay brighter and more dazzling, especially at dawn or dusk when visibility conditions are the toughest...

As for the cars that come with bright LED DRLs from the factory (Audi, Kia, Renault etc), I think they should come equipped with a smart auto mode, that shouldn't allow the users/drivers to switch to them manually - I see to many people driving with these lights on in instances when they should be driving with the dipped beam on, and what's worst is that most of them have no rear lights on while driving with the DRLs on...

BTW, this is another feature that you can override in Lexia/DiagBox, but this one I highly advise you do - Position Lights ON with DRLs, so that if you do get in a situation where there's enough light that the Auto mode doesn't engage the dipped beams, but the visibility is not that great (like light mist, or dusk, or dawn), you still have both ends light up

Cheers,
Sam

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Trainman, Sat May 25 2013, 10:36am



I've done this on mine, you get the DRL's and sidelights at the front. you get both front and rear side marker lights and the tail lights, so effectively you have everything you would normally have with out the head lights.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Tue Aug 20 2013, 01:37pm

4 years since I started the thread I have finally done something about it!

Took 30 minutes today and changed the OEM bulbs for LED's (PY24W-W type 5200S White)

The difference is noticeable as they are far 'whiter' than the OEM bulbs as can be seen from the image below with one changed. (Click the images to enlarge)



Now they actually look like LED Driving Lamps and not fog lights which should help those of you who have been flashed/stopped by the Police

A close up shows why. You can see the multiple bulb LED's quite clearly:



They were not difficult to change, the hardest part being separating the double lamp holder from the reflector unit without breaking the retaining clips......

Thanks go to magcar for finding the required bulbs

Just to clarify, the OEM and LED bulbs both have small locating lugs to ensure that they go in the correct way. The lugs on the LED bulbs are in the wrong place so you simply cut them off

The image shows the lugs on an OEM bulb




Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Rich, Tue Aug 20 2013, 03:37pm

I like this. It matches the colour of the headlights. Is there a chance you can put a link from eBay of the correct bulbs as the search for the type you have put comes up with BMW's and the C6 LED search looks a lot different. I want to make sure i get the right ones!

Thanks

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Tue Aug 20 2013, 03:46pm

These are the bulbs: - Click Here - Yes they are described as BMW but do fit with the small lugs that I have noted in my previous thread, removed.

They don't actually do anything so there is no problem cutting them off.

Be aware though that the bulbs are from the USA so will attract import duty to the UK

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Trainman, Tue Aug 20 2013, 05:12pm

I've found the same ones in the UK - Click Here -

going to order some later

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
apopesc, Wed Aug 21 2013, 09:38am

What about these? I think they look better.
- Click Here -

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Wed Aug 21 2013, 10:29am


They don't look a lot different and given the price and import duty from the USA I would go with the English ones posted above.

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Rich, Wed Aug 21 2013, 12:23pm

Thanks for the links! I will no doubt be purchasing the ones from the UK very shortly!

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
dsharples, Sat Aug 24 2013, 12:35pm

Don't go with the first "english ones from ebay". I got mine today, and the don't have copper receptacles for the "power prongs". They instead have mini female "lucar" terminals soldered to the LED connectors, and mounted into the plastic receptacles. Whilst It's probable they would allow power terminals to mount from the top surface (is that how the mount in a BMW?), they won't from the bottom.
The Second set look to have the copper plated mounts, so should be fine...

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Sat Aug 24 2013, 01:22pm

Not sure what you mean as you simply replace the unit as a whole. The bottom of the OEM bulbs looks like this (and so should the LED unit:




Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
dsharples, Sat Aug 24 2013, 02:32pm

Nope, see attached. Its designed to fit a forward power mounting, not a rear power mounting. The lucar terminals face up to the top of the bulb, so do not allow the bulb to mount down on to a power mounting.



Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
magicands, Sat Aug 31 2013, 05:56pm

Ok, can somebody clarify which type of lamp is correct.
I found this eBay link - Click Here - but am unsure if these have the Lucar terminals referred to above.
I guess an ebay link to the lamps that Dave has used would be ideal?

Thanks all.



Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Dekidex, Sat Oct 26 2013, 04:40pm

You lost me...
So is it only a Bulb that Nerds replacement or is it the entire tray??

Thanx

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Sat Oct 26 2013, 05:02pm

Just the bulb......

Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
magicands, Sat Oct 26 2013, 05:02pm



There is another thread on the forum containing all the answers to the above questions.


Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
Dekidex, Sat Oct 26 2013, 05:04pm


Linky linky please


Re: C6 Daylight Running Lamps (finally changed to LED's)
C6Dave, Sat Oct 26 2013, 05:12pm

ITS HERE; - Click Here -