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C6Dave   
Sun Mar 20 2011, 04:08pm

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
Around a week ago when I started the car I got a tyre pressure warning and a 'Handbrake' faulty one even though the handbrake was off.

I checked the tyre pressures and 1 (nearside rear) was indeed low, so blew them up and the errors disappeared.

Then a couple of days ago when I started the car in the morning (after a hard frost) the ESP check light stayed on after I started the engine, then a 'Handbrake Faulty' error message flashed on the screen and the handbrake on light on the dash display lit up and stayed lit, although the handbrake was off, then an ESP/ASR error message flashed on the screen, but the car drove normally and when stopped and started after going shopping, no errors.

The car was used again later that day with no error warnings.

Today after a cold, but not frosty night, I had the same errors come on and drove to the paper shop with ESP error light and parking brake lights lit, but the handbrake was not on, I rarely use it, unless parked on a steep hill.

On the way back I thought I would try a bit of testing so stopped the car and actually applied the handbrake which engaged without problem

However it would not disengage.

I had to switch off and leave the car for 5 minutes with the keys out before turning the ignition back on. This time no error warnings and the handbrake released first time.

On checking the tyre pressure it was down a bit at 2.12 bar so I'm not sure if the rear sensor is giving an errant message before giving a pressure low one prior to it reaching the limit

Only way to test looks like re inflating the tyres and seeing what happens again. The tyres BTW are the original Michelins with the cracked walls so I may have to bite the bullet and change them now even though they are well above the wear indicators
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datmbn   
Mon Mar 21 2011, 06:17am
Joined: Jul 29 2010
Member No: #193
Location: MOTALA
My guess is faulty rear ABS sensor or wiring combined with old parking brake cables

regards Mats
C6Dave   
Mon Mar 21 2011, 10:11am

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
Well I inflated the tyre to 2.4 bar this morning before turning the ignition on and.....

No errors

So I intend to keep a watch and see if it pops up again before making any decisions what to do.
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ChrisHunter   
Mon Mar 21 2011, 10:35am
Joined: Jul 20 2010
Member No: #188
Location: Lancashire
rear ABS sensor must be a possibility - ours gave intermittent problems (and handbrake & ESP & ABS error messages) that occurred more often as time went by ... BTW, replacing the sensor needs an near-empty fuel tank, so it can be lowered out the way !
C6Dave   
Mon Mar 21 2011, 01:51pm

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
Thanks, I'll bear that in mind if it continues.
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Cactus   
Tue Mar 22 2011, 04:30am
Joined: Feb 09 2011
Member No: #373
Location: sydney
I've problem with my c6 brake sensor, but not the parking brake problem. My local mechanic said my brake pads are still very good condition and my disc look fine. But whenever I start driving from stop, the "brake worn" message keep on beeping. There are no noise from the braking itself. I've book a date with dealer to have it service next week. I have no idea what is wrong with it.
paulnaylor   
Tue Mar 22 2011, 08:31am
Joined: Aug 03 2010
Member No: #200
Location: Nottingham
I had the same problem with persistent but misleading disk wear warnings. The problem turned out to be damaged wiring. My excellent local indie, Woodlinkin Citroen Centre, avoided the several hundred pounds that replacement wiring would have cost by repairing the wiring for £50 quid or so.
Phil   
Tue Mar 22 2011, 08:58am
Joined: Oct 12 2009
Member No: #4
Location: Stafford
Dave - could also be the well known brake pedal switch fault as per C4owners. They are identical switches and are known to fail across the range.

We get the similar handbrake fault /esp warnings on the C5 and C4 Picassos when the switch has gone faulty.
C6Dave   
Tue Mar 22 2011, 01:39pm

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
Interesting Phil, but the times it has happened the rear tyre pressure was low and topping up cleared the warnings

I had no problems again today but as the brake pedal switch is a cheap fix, I may well try that first if it comes back
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C6Dave   
Wed Mar 23 2011, 10:32am

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
Well ESP light came on at startup today, followed by the other warnings for handbrake so when I got to the post office I checked the tyre pressures and.... they are OK so that rules them out.

If it gets worse I'll look at replacing the brake pedal switch as that's the cheap and easy option.
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Cactus   
Thu Mar 24 2011, 11:20am
Joined: Feb 09 2011
Member No: #373
Location: sydney
Hi Paul, how do you repair the damage wire? Which wire is it? the brake wire?
Cactus   
Sun Apr 03 2011, 10:59pm
Joined: Feb 09 2011
Member No: #373
Location: sydney
I have my brake sensor problem fixed after a week with the mechanic. I had my timing belt, tensioner, rollers, water pump and accessory belt change at the same time, hence the time it take. The total cost for all these changes is $2500 AUD.

Apparently the reason my brake sensor warning of brake worn was because the guy who fitted my brake pad last time didn't do a proper job, the cable fell off and it rub on to the disc, which cause the warning message.
Trainman   
Mon Apr 04 2011, 07:02am

Joined: Apr 12 2010
Member No: #86
Location: Penwortham
Cactus wrote ...

I have my brake sensor problem fixed after a week with the mechanic. I had my timing belt, tensioner, rollers, water pump and accessory belt change at the same time, hence the time it take. The total cost for all these changes is $2500 AUD.


GULP!!!!
C6Dave   
Mon Apr 04 2011, 08:14am

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
Doesn't sound much better in £'s as it's circa £1,600
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C6Dave   
Mon Apr 11 2011, 06:15am

Joined: Oct 01 2009
Member No: #1
Location: Northumberland
3 weeks later and it hasn't happened again and I haven't done anything to the car, weird.
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